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Q: ALSALAM ALAIKUM, Dr. Saheb it is
good that you are with us. My father often remembers you and cites your
example before others. Since extending of DAWAH OF ISLAM to our fellow
brothers is our constitutional right, you deserve special mention and
praise for your good work.
A: I came to Delhi for some official work. I
tried to contact him at Phulat and when I was informed of his presence
in Delhi I met him there before Ramzan. I attended one of his programmes
and was benefitted by his lectures.
Q: Huzefa Saheb, as you knows a
religious cum academic magazine ARMUGHAN is being published at Phulat. I
want your interview for it so that it may encourage workers engaged in
Dawah.
A: Yes, I know ARMUGHAN very well. I have asked Maulana Saheb to
print its Hindi edition and promised to enroll at least five hundred
subscribers. I am happy to learn that Hindi edition would be published
shortly.
Q: It will be published shortly as Maulana Saheb and many
people are insisting for it. Now please introduce yourself.
A: I was
born on 13th August 1957, in A Zamindaar family in a village
in district Basti of eastern Uttar Pradesh. My uncle was a Deputy
Superintendent of Police in U.P. At his instance I also joined U.P
Police and worked as inspector in 55 Thanas of the state. I passed B.Com
and M.A. Exams during service and was promoted as C.O. In 1997 I went
for training and then took Ph.D. in Criminology. On account of good
performance I was promoted to the post of D.S.P. and then posted in
C.I.D. at Muzaffar Nagar. My younger brother is an engineer and my
sister is married with a lecturer. These days I am officer in Charge
C.I.D. in Eastern U.P. My Family consists of educated people.
Q: Please
tell us about your embracing ISLAM
A: My family despite being fairly
educated has been notorious for being anti Muslim and bigot. One of the
reasons is that about 100 years ago a branch of our family was converted
to Islam and settled in Fathepur, Hanswa and Pratapgarh. They were
devoted Muslims. Then about 30 years ago, 8 Dalit families of our native
place, after being fed up with tyranny and injustice of high caste
Hindu Zamidars embraced ISLAM. Due to these two instances our family
became enemy of Muslims and their sentiments flared up further during
the destruction of Babri Masjid and communal riots. Some Young men of
our family setup a branch of Bajrang Dal in our village; thus the whole
atmosphere was filled with anti Islam and anti Muslim feelings of the
highest order before my eyes. But the Compassionate and Omnipotent
displayed His might in a peculiar manner. A family consisting of 9
members in Pilkhuwa district, GHAZIABAD embraced Islam at PHULAT at the
instance of Maulana Kaleem Saheb. There were two couples with four
daughters and three sons. All of them recited Kalma and Maulana Saheb
gave them new Islamic names and issued a certificate containing their
affidavits, names and date of conversion. He told that this legal
formality was necessary and sent a copy of this certificate to the
district Magistrate Ghaziabad and also issued a press release for
newspapers. Those people readily completed all these formalities.
Children were admitted in a Madarsa and girls went to attend ladies
meetings of IJTIMA. The Muslim women celebrated it by distribution of
sweets. This news reached their non Muslim daughter in law who informed
his parents and village people. The whole area became tense and local
Hindu organizations came into action. News was published in Dainik
Jagiran and Amarujala with a highly inflammatory heading "Conversion of
Hindu family by temptation at Phulat Madarsa. Waves of anger among Hindu
population", the incident was telecast at many channels and the whole
area became tense. At that time I was posted at Muzaffar Nagar. I was
also enraged to hear it and reached Phulat along with two
sub-inspectors. Maulana Saheb was away and the local people showed their
ignorance about his where about. However, they asked me to meet the
Maulana for getting the truth. I left my phone number and asked them to
inform me about Maulana's arrival. On the third day Maulana came to
Phulat and we went there to meet him. The Maulana welcomed us and
entertained us by offering tea and snacks. Then he said 'I am happy that
you have come to verify the facts. Very wrong propaganda is made
against Madarsas and Maulvis. False accusations are made against them. I
always ask my colleagues and Madarsas in-charge to take police and
Hindu organization in their confidence and invite them to spend some
time with them and remove their misunderstandings". Then he asked the
purpose of my visit. The confident and cool way of talks of Maulana
cooled down my temper. I showed the newspapers heading to Maulana Saheb
and asked for his reaction and comments. He said 'I have read the news.
The fact is that on that particular day I was going on a trip and was
about to board my car. a jeep came and the occupants expressed their
desire to embrace ISLAM. I got down and after taking to them I taught
them to recite Kalma gave them their new names along with a certificate
of their acceptance of Islam. I told them to send this information along
with an affidavit to the District Magistrate Ghaziabad and also to give
a statement in the papers about their embracing Islam as required by
law. You know ours is a secular country and our constitution has given
us a fundamental right to profess and practice any religion of our
choice. It also permits us to preach or invite others to come to our
fold. We do not do any unlawful act and do not use any temptation or
force on those who want to become Muslims because I am of the view that
it is quite wrong illegal way. Change of faith is a matter of one's free
will and cannot be done under duress or to please anyone. The second
important point I want to make is that we are Muslims. We worship Allah
who is creator of whole universe and believe and respect Him. His last
messenger Prophet Muhammad always spoke truth and taught us lessons of
brotherhood, humanity and love. Probably Hinduism also believes in these
principles." I endorsed his views. Then he continued to assert equality
and fraternity of all human beings and stated that members of every
faith should invite others to join their faith provided they themselves
regarded it vital for their salvation. He said "I as a Muslim believe
that Islam is the only perfect religion. If you depart from this world
without accepting it you would have to suffer torments of Hell fire. So
you should not bother about those residents of Pilkuwa and look towards
yourself. I request all three of you to turn Muslim and as stated by me
worship true Lord and love His apostle." I was surprised as well as felt
attracted towards the affectionate words of Maulana Saheb. I had gone
there to conduct enquiry against him and his Madarsa. But I was
infatuated to hear his fascinating speech based on truth. It touched my
conscience and I told Maulana that I wanted some time to think over what
he has said to me. Maulana Saheb urged me to take a quick decision. He
again stated 'If you think that Hindu religion would bring solace and
Mukti to me, you should preach your Dharma to me. Otherwise please
accept my proposal and become a Muslim". I was impressed by the self
confidence shown by Maulana and realized that our Hindu Dharam was
nothing but a jumble of some mythological legends and secondary customs
and rites which had no foundation. How could I peach it to Maulana
Saheb? My conscience said to me 'Ram Kumar, truth lies in ISLAM.' In the
meantime, Maulana Saheb continued to urge us to become Muslims and
recite Kalma. It appeared that an affectionate well wisher was trying to
save us from disaster or destruction. We assured Maulana Saheb that we
would consider his proposal and requested him to give us some literature
to read. He gave us a book written by him entitled 'Aap Ki Amanat Aap
Ke Seva Men" and asked us to recite YA HADI, YA RAHEEM with devotion and
make prayer for getting right direction. I requested him to send
contradiction of the news in papers in order to lessen the tension in
the area. Maulana Saheb replied 'I have made them to recite Kalma as per
their legal and religious rights. You should expose the falsehood and
control the situation". While returning from Phulat my both
sub-inspectors praised the truthfulness and clarity of Maulana and his
courage.
Q: But you did not recite the Kalma.
A: I went through his book
and was very much impressed by the truthful tone and nature of the book
and I wanted to meet Maulana again. I got a copy of Hindi Quran and on
phone asked Maulana's permission to read it. He advised to me to read it
only after taking bath and follow it for at least two weeks and pray to
God to help me understand it. I completed the whole Quran in two weeks
and then went to Phulat and recited Kalma before Maulana Saheb. He
changed my name from Ram Kumar to Huzaifa (name of a companion of
Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. who was sent by him on secret missions.)
Q:
Then what did you study more?
A: As advised by Maulana I went with a
Jamaat for 40 days on DAWAH work. He had told me not to tell anybody
about my conversion. I spent good time in Jamaat. People helped me in
learning Namaz and Quran. I benefitted after returning from Jamaat. I
was transferred to Allahabad. There I told everything to my wife. She
being a simple and obedient lady did not oppose my decision and promised
to live with me in all situations. I gave her books on Islam and
tempted her to become a Muslim so that Allah may bless her with a child.
She always remained grief stricken because after 10 years of marriage
we had no child. She agreed to become a Muslim. I took her to a Madarsa
where she recited Kalma and then both of us prayed to Allah for a child.
Next year i.e after eleven years of marriage a son was born to us and
after three years we were blessed by a daughter also.
Q: Did you face
any difficulty in your service after becoming a Muslim?
A: I announced
my conversion at Allahabad and completed its legal formalities through a
lawyer. Before that I applied for getting its permission to my
department through Mr. Diwedi who was my immediate boss. He sternly
asked me to reverse my decision otherwise he threatened to suspend me.
But I remained firm and did not change my decision. Accordingly, he got
me suspended. I went to Bangalore and Madras with a Jamaat and spent my
time nicely. I saw Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. thrice in my dreams and was
overjoyed. On return I met a Muslim officer who was holding an
important post. He had visited Phulat and knew Maulana Saheb. He took up
my case and got me reinstated.
Q: What happened to your two
sub-inspectors?
A: One of them embraced Islam and had to face a number
of domestic difficulties. Her wife left him but he remained firm and
Allah solved his other problems. The second sub inspector is eventually
prepared to join Islamic fold but is hesitating after seeing the plight
of his comrade.
Q: Are you canvassing among your family?
A: Yes but it
would take time. Now I have to go and catch a train.
Q: Will you leave
some brief message for ARMUGHAN?
A: ISLAM is the biggest truth and its
followers should not hesitate in following or spreading it. As stated by
our Maulana Saheb, it is a light which would always dominate and over
power all other false religions full of darkness. When a person like me
could get guidance, am sure all others can be blessed. Thanks, more in
my next visit.
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